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Fttp on fibre 36

Vicgurt
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I've recently upgraded to fibre 36 from standard and my Internet drops on the regular and kicks everybody off the network. Part of the deal is we get FTTP, if fibre runs thru the street then to our property on the standard line instead of of a new fibre line would that cause a problem with the Internet?

 

Thanks in advance

 

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Vicgurt
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I'll get you the PPP log when I'm home from work 

Mustrum
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@Vicgurt  it seems @XRaySpeX  theory is correct, re the BTConnect username. I had some new firmware to load into my router, so as I was doing so took the opportunity to try the BT username and heyho it did indeed work. I think this maybe a relatively new thing, as I am sure I tried in my early EE days.

 

So as both routers are dropping, I suspect a line problem.

 

Have you spoken to EE about this? (edit) yes of course you have, just re-read the thread - waiting for the new router.

 

Not sure what tools EE have for broadband, but a Radius server log should show the drops you are getting, and getting an engineer to test the line will also help.

 

Alas moving to another ISP probably will not help if you are still using openreach lines.

XRaySpeX
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Yes, @Mustrum , it must be a relative new thing. It used to fail on BT routers as they wouldn't accept '@fs' ending of the BB Username.

 

I wanted to test out my theory earlier by using the BTConnect username in my EE router but of course it wouldn't accept it as it didn't end in '@fs'.

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Vicgurt
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@Mustrum  thanks for that, the engineer tested it yesterday and changed the bt socket from a single to a double and he said its OK now but then turned around and said he'll send a new router just incase 

Vicgurt
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@mikeliuk do you still want that information?

 

Vicgurt
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@Mustrum, @XRaySpeX, @mikeliuk 

Internet just dropped connected to BT router, this was on the technical log.

 

20:08:52, 26

ppp1:TR69 connectivity to (pbthdm.bt.mo) has been closed

20:08:52, 26 Aug.

ppp1:TR69 connectivity to (pbthdm.bt.mo) has been initiated

20:08:52, 26 Aug.

ppp1:TR69 receiving InformResponse message

Hi @Vicgurt ,

 

Realistically, I think we can infer the timeline of events from this thread even though the root cause of the issue isn't currently clear.

 

You previously had standard ADSL and upgraded to Fibre 36 which uses VDSL and required some work in a local cabinet to move to FTTC. The service you chose is at the transition point where it can be provided by either FTTC or FTTP but the online information suggests your property has not yet gone up to FTTP (therefore no OpenReach ONT has yet been installed) notwithstanding the message "Detect and configure Ethernet port1 as WAN".

 

After the upgrade and the supply of an EE Smart Hub, within roughly two weeks, you noticed frequent drops of internet access despite devices remaining connected to the router and you rebooted your router to re-establish internet services. To debug the situation you borrowed a BT Hub 6 which was marketed as the BT Smart Hub (I know because I still have mine and it is marked BT Hub 6 as expected) and found that it maintained internet access for longer periods but still dropped internet services frequently. I'm pretty sure you've only been using the routers one at a time and cabling properly to the master socket.

 

You didn't at the time know that the authentication details for the BT Smart Hub/BT Hub 6 were different from the EE Smart Hub and the community up to this point wouldn't have expected the BT Smart Hub to work on EE's network but you've found that it does. I judge that the EE Smart Hub is too new (roughly two weeks out of the box) to be able to expect that it is faulty and the BT Smart Hub test also suggests any issue lies elsewhere other than the router. Despite this, it is no bad thing to confirm the same service drops with the new replacement router you will receive.

 

I feel that ball is in EE's court to diagnose where the upgrade to Fibre 36 has gone wrong and to make it right. There are many online reports of the BT Smart Hub and EE Smart Hub dropping connections although I feel there is insufficient data to blame any router in your case. The service provider should be competent enough to check the physical line and perhaps might move you up to FTTP if they cannot fix the FTTC configuration.

 

Realistically, your best play would be to enquire about compensation from EE as I can imagine this will be highly inconvenient to yourself and your family, and to ask how they can provide stable internet access for your property as you await a fix (e.g. they could provide a 4GEE router and service free of charge for the duration). https://www.ofcom.org.uk/phones-telecoms-and-internet/advice-for-consumers/costs-and-billing/automat...

 

TR-069 is a protocol for the managing of equipment on a consumer's premises (i.e. the routers supplied to customers) and either it works ok or there's nothing a customer can really do to debug its operation. There's nothing obviously wrong with the TR69 output shown above. That it correlates with a service drop might mean something to OpenReach or to EE so hopefully they will see if the service drop times correlate with anything in their own logs. Hope EE get things sorted for you! (I use 4G LTE mobile broadband so have exchanged such issues for other equivalent issues.)

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Mustrum
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@mikeliuk  stop with the FTTP rubbish, it is not available to this customer. 

 

@Vicgurt  you will see lots of  TR-069 entries alas you have not included the rest of the log to see if if there was any other relevant activity..

 

Did you have to do anything else after the drop, or did the router come back online by itself?

 

One other question, you said the engineer would send another router, was that the one who visited, or an EE one on the phone? The reason for the question being if it was one that visited, ie openreach or their partners I don't believe they would, it will need to come from EE. If EE, hopefully it will arrive tomorrow. 

Vicgurt
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That's really helpful I will try the new router but as you said you expect it to be exactly the same as. ( I was thinking the same thing) I will ask for compensation off them and see if its possible to move me to FTTP as I feel they have no other option expect to scrap the contract 

Vicgurt
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On the BT router it connects on its own after it drops but on the EE Hub you have to restart it. I'm don't know exactly what was siad to my parter about a new hub I was in work. I'm guessing he told her that he will get EE to send a new hub and when I phoned them in the evening I told them he said he was going to send one out EE said that they would sort one out.