Apply to have a mobile phone mast installed

[Kerrypeck]

Hi, 

Wanting to find out how a small business would go about appyling to have a phone mast installed on private land? 

[bristolian]

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@GMaull wrote:

Think you might need to read up there as the higher the g the less coverage per station.

4/5G actually requires more base stations due to the frequency being higher the distance becomes less.

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Some popular mainstream media may claim this, but that doesn't make it true.

EE service on 800Mhz & 700Mhz will cover farther than 1800Mhz, 2100Mhz, 2600Mhz & 3500Mhz, all else being equal (antenna height, power-output etc). 800Mhz is used for 4G, 700Mhz is used for 4G & 5G. Mid & high-bands are used for multiple radio technologies.

You could probably cover a whole city with 4G via a handful of low-band 800Mhz sites, but the spectrum would be swamped. It's the capacity requirements of increased usage, that drives high-band deployment & thus greater site density. In some remote areas, there is no mid or high-band deployment, and sites are only equipped with low-band 800Mhz - in these case, only 4G service is provided, no 2G.

Happy to discuss further in a separate thread if you want any clarification on why the "G" does not dictate coverage patterns.

[GMaull]

I can sit here and argue, but as usual you're just regurgitating what you think might happen on paper.

In reality every rural location I've travelled to has seen a drastic reduction or even no signal since 3g was turned off and I've travelled a lot.

As I'm guessing the more these bin lorry mobile signal checks are performed the more you'll actually realise and listen to customers who tell you real world experience instead of just saying computer says no.

[bristolian]

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@GMaull wrote:

I can sit here and argue, but as usual you're just regurgitating what you think might happen on paper.

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Anyone who argues that a particular radio technology covers greater or lesser distance than another, without any reference to frequency spectrum, is talking nonsense. 4G can cover less than 2G, or more than 2G - the frequency band is what dictates it.

EE used 2100Mhz for 3G services, and those sites - in the overwhelming majority of cases - had colocated 2G & 4G service on 1800Mhz. There may have been alterations to the 2G/4G config when the 2100Mhz service was re-farmed, but the mere act of switching the 3G radios off would not have directly affected 2G or 4G service.

Crowdsourced coverage surveys are an excellent tool for radio planners - I totally agree. Planning tools are a lot more sophisticated than they used to be, but will only ever go so far.

[GMaull]

Again, just regurgitating paper explanation Vs real world experience and trying to say nothing to see here move along now.

Has my service improved since 3g was turned off no, has my neighbours lost signal and service and a reduction in mobile connection yes.

If I go indoors does my 4g signal disappear yes almost to a point where people leave phones near a window.

Does the same lack of coverage apply to the wider area and further afield yes and I speak to a lot of outdoor trades who have similar issues, which in a agricultural and tree aspect cause safety and even lost business calls concerns.

[bristolian]

For clarity, I'm not disputing your real-world experience. Millions of users up & down the country will have their own similar stories - my indoor 4G coverage is very borderline at times, and I rely on WiFi-calling alongside 800Mhz service "holding up the rear"

I'm trying to explain why it has little to do with the "G" (or the radio access technology) and everything to do with the frequency bands & potential config changes. VF have had their own issues with 3G switch-off which hopefully O2 will learn from (their radio designs are similar), EE was in a very good position pre-sunset

Hey ho, I've "only got one bar indoors", that must be bad.

[GMaull]

And I keep saying Do Better and listen to your customers especially as they're part of BT!.

There are pages of people offering sites, but repeatedly telling me the G shouldn't matter, it does as they remove the old equipment and change it making it worse.

[bristolian]

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@GMaull wrote:

And I keep saying Do Better and listen to your customers especially as they're part of BT!.

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For the avoidance of doubt, I am not EE or BT staff.