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simonharryharri
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Can someone point me in the direction of the best Antenna for the 5gee router I got delivered today, EE tell me they don't sell one to go with it?!

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Thank you both. 

 

Yes, i sent the installation chap away, as i would have thought they would bring a 4x4 MIMO antenna to match that of the router. Somewhat dissapointed when they showed me. 

I've just received the SMA to TS9 splitters and i'm having a play about with these at the moment. 

I currently have an omnidirectional 2x2 4G antenna on the roof. This was used to help with the Huawei B818 router and I'm able to get about 120Mb down and 30Mb up. 

I know it doesn't support the 5G range, but by playing about, i can get around 200Mb down and 40Mb up. 
Which site do you use to do the speed testing?
Using the ThinkBroadband site, and they offer IP4 and IP6 tests. 

If i run an IP6 test, i get the higher download speeds compared to the IP4 tests, has anyone else noticed this?

Ideally you need to play about and align the the Antennas for best Signal Strength and Signal Quality rather than Speed.

 

Technically, if my current theory is correct on the NR5103 Router and the 4x Antenna Ports, you could probably use the Existing Aerial you have for 4G and add another 2x2 5G MiM9 Antenna for 5G.

 

Personally I really don't understand why all these new 5G Routers Makers are using these Slide / Push in TS9 Connectors and expect them to work at frequencies around 4Ghz (they are rubbish fragile and bend at an angle too easily), you need a proper Bayonet or Screw Down Connector at these High Frequencies, there's plenty of options around, even at Mini or Micro Connector level. 

Just a quick update to this on going upgrade. 

 

I've recently received a new antenna. One of these 4x4 MiMo 4G/5G Antenna | DWMM4[G]-6-60 (panorama-antennas.com) 

Given that i have one 5G mast to the west of my house and the 4G mast to the west, i thought it would be best to go omnidirectional instead of directional, to get a reasonably good signal from both. 

In addition to that, i've also ordered four runs of HDF400 cable to extend the 5M from the antenna. 

However the cables need to be custom made and will be with me in about two weeks. 

 

As soon as i have that, I'll arrange for an aerial guy to run up to the roof and swap out the 2x2 antenna for this bad boy. 
Seriously this thing is proper weighty and about as large as a 15" laptop. 

Some recent speed tests using the ext 2x2 antenna shows that i tend to get about 200Mbps down and 10Mbps up. 

I forgot to add, but i've also message Zxyel about the NR5103 router. 

Essentially i want them to tell me about the 4 ext ports on the back or the router. And if there is a specific way that they are used to connect to a 4x4MIMO antenna. 

Hopefully i will hear from them in the near future and let you know. 

@Bunchofkeys wrote -

I forgot to add, but i've also message Zxyel about the NR5103 router. 
Essentially i want them to tell me about the 4 ext ports on the back or the router. And if there is a specific way that they are used to connect to a 4x4MIMO antenna. 

Hopefully i will hear from them in the near future and let you know. 

 

Good luck with that, I did the same a few weeks back, having initially got around the provide us with a valid S/N of the Device, which I didnt have, the response I got back was - 

 

"The external antenna and device ability support Frequencies,  both Antennas have to be connected as they provide Mult Mimo."

 

Which is telling me the External Antenna maybe only support certain Bands and two Antennas are needed, not very helpfull and about as clear as mud, probably a Stock Answer off someone's screen. I did reply back for clarification and have heard nothing back.

 

I've now got it all setup. 

The HDF400 cables are really thick, so there is no way to use the little SMA to TS9 converters. I need to use the ones with the flex. 
Thankfully i had some lying about, but i don't think that they are anything like DC0-6GHz, so will need to source 4 more. 

In terms of bandwidth. Peak times i see about 250Mbps down and about 30Mbps up. 
Off peak is amazing, at nearly 450Mbps down and 50Mbps up. 
Looking at the EE coverage, i am on the edge of the 5G signal. So when i move to an area that has a stronger signal, i hope to achieve quicker speeds. 
This puts to shame the standard FTTC offerings where i am at the moment, and it's only Virgin Media that offer something faster, but their upload speeds are abysmal. 

I have a OneDrive and it now feels like i am able to use that as an additional local drive. 


Really happy with the new setup and impressed with the speeds. The new router with WiFi6 is also a boost, although i do have one spot, the kitchen, that drops the connection. So will look at a mesh setup for the house. 
Thanks to everyone for the help 🙂

hi all,

 

i have just been looking though this thread and it has been very educational!!!

 

I have just ordered the same 5GEE 2021 as what you guys are using but i am going to couple it to a poynting XPOL-2-v3-5g antenna. this is a 2x2 mimo antenna.

 

i have ordered the sma-ts9 connectors so will see how it fairs.

 

from the looks of things i will be best either using ports 3 & 4 or using the splitters and ports 1 & 3 off one cable and 2 & 4 off another.

 

i am using https://www.cellmapper.net/ for the mast locations but does anyone have anything better?

 

the coverage, it will be in location LL54 5TW. i can get full 5g on the beach 500 meters away and 4 bars of 4g outside the caravan but its pants inside!

 

any tips would be good and appreciated.

 

other than that, i'll let you know how i get on :-S

@S1GAR wrote - 

from the looks of things i will be best either using ports 3 & 4 or using the splitters and ports 1 & 3 off one cable and 2 & 4 off another.

i am using https://www.cellmapper.net/ for the mast locations but does anyone have anything better?

the coverage, it will be in location LL54 5TW. i can get full 5g on the beach 500 meters away and 4 bars of 4g outside the caravan but its pants inside!

 

As you say the External Antenna you are looking at is 2x2 Mimo (4/5G) so all you can really do is use the 2x2 Mimo on one of the Antenna Port Pairs of the Router (so either 1 & 2 or 3 & 4) you have to see which Port Pairs gives you best results. I was hoping to get my hands on one of these Routers for evaluation testing so I could identify exactly which Ports did what and put this thing to bed once and for all, but it never happened, so that's all on hold for the time being. I do have my suspensions now that out of the 4 Antenna Ports, 2 of the Ports could be for Upper 5G Bands Only (3.5ghz Band 78) and the other 2 Ports could be for 4G Bands as an NR SA Anchor, but in reality the only real way forward for now is to use a Full Band 4/5G Antenna that is 4x4 Mimo configured, that way your covered for all the possibilities. Ive actually already got a a brand new Poynting 4x4 MiMo All Band 4/5G Antenna sitting in a box that I was going to use for the testing, I chose the Poynting over the Polish one that has been discussed on here due to its smaller size as the Polish one is massive.

 

On the Cable Splitters, personally I wouldn't use them, doing this is just going to impair the Antennas Design and Performance and you just cannot magic something like a 2x2 Designed Antenna to perform like a 4x4, but more important from a Tech point of view it just doesn't work that way by T Piecing an Antenna into 2 separate Transmitters plus you are feeding an Transmitter Output Port into another Receiver Input Port, but that's your call end of the day.

 

On the Cellmapper, thats probably the best Freebie one to use, as EE will not tell you their Mast Locations, but remember Cellmapper relies on User Intervention to keep it up to date, so if need be you could always become a Free Member and start to add to the Mapping your self as you Drive around the Area. There are some better Mast Location App like MastData but they rely on paid Monthly Subscriptions as its more of a Tool for Pro Users, so yea just stick with Cellmapper.

 

On your Post Code Area, looks like there are no 5G Masts in your location, so you probably picking up some 5G across the Sea (RF Signals Travel quiet well over Water) if I was to hazard a guess I would say your picking 5G from some 5G Masts in the Anglesey or Liedwigan Areas North of you.

@EssexBoyEE 

 

I thought that about the 5G signal. there is also a ghosting of it near the airport to the north of my location. it is very flat with nothing around so that's why I might be seeing it on the beach.

I am going 5G to mainly future proof myself and I will only be using the 2 feeds but will give both 1&2 and 3&4 a try initially and if all works ok I will stick with that.

the problem i have it which mast do I point it to? although i am guessing its just move it and lock to the best.

@S1GAR - the problem i have it which mast do I point it to? although i am guessing its just move it and lock to the best.

 

That's the Million Doller question with LTE Routers and External Antennas, its never going to be easy with 4/5G Radio Waves, you best bet is to do some Homework first, get your self familiar wit the Local EE Mast and how they perform where you are and a bit beyond, No Individual Mast is going to perform the same in either Signal Strength or Data Speed, you need to try and aim for the good compromise which doesn't always mean the nearest Mast is going to fit the bill, try a start with a good 4G Mast that is well equipped and has a good Coverage and Data Throughput in terms of its serving area over a smaller Fill In Mast.

 

As a rough guide the more Bands and Sectors on each Mast then that should give better overall performance compared to a smaller Single Band Mast, Cellmapper will help you here in good detail. for example a Mast with 4G Bands say 1,3,7 & 20 should provide better Speeds than a Mast thats only serving a Single or 2 Bands (in EE's Case normally Band 3 and 20), plus theres a good chance the Better Equipped Mast will be upgraded to 5G in the future.

 

if you got an decent Android Phone then use Netmonster App on your travels as it gives a good indication of Which Mast are which and what Bands they are Using for Carrier Aggregation, as said the more the better. 

 

In terms of picking a Mast Direction for you Antenna, pay particular attention to Signal Levels 'RSRP and SNIR', and compare to Speed, when moving the Antenna in different Directions let the Router settle down for at least 5+ Mins and do a Reboot after each Antenna Direction Move.