01-03-2022 10:10 PM
Can someone point me in the direction of the best Antenna for the 5gee router I got delivered today, EE tell me they don't sell one to go with it?!
05-05-2022 02:51 PM
@EssexBoyEE @Barz91 I've managed to test the 24 combinations today. I have the results on a spreadsheet if you'd like me to share that with you somehow, but I would say I've proved nothing conclusive, possibly as a result of time of day, possibly due to the vagaries of 5G signal.
I've managed not to break the router this time, but the TS9 connections are terrible, I don't know who designed these, but they are far too flimsy (I am not heavy handed generally) and I am not at all convinced they make a solid connection, particularly the very thin inner cable.
My cables are labelled as follows:
Cable 1 | A1X-POL+45 |
Cable 2 | A1X-POL-45 |
Cable 3 | A2X-POL+45 |
Cable 4 | A2X-POL-45 |
and my starting position was 1234 (ie cables connecting in order of ports, port 1 being the top 1 on the router. My hopes raised significantly when I tried 2143 and got a download speed of 314mbs - double that I normally see and logically ties up with what EssexBoy originally advised about the cable combinations. However in the time it took me to complete the rest of the combinations and go back to this one, I was seeing downloads of 150mbs again, and no more. I've left it in that combination and will see how it goes.
Unfortunately I didn't see which Cell ID the router was connecting to when it achieved this speed, as I only noticed late on that the cell ID changed occasionally with some combos, as did the number of channels being reported. I am again back to thinking this solution is highly complex and variable, and will have to settle for this being the best I will achieve. As I've said, I have a nagging doubt that the TS9s are not making a firm connections with the ports but I'm not really sure how I can check that. I look forward to Barz91's updates when he gets his 4x4.
05-05-2022 03:59 PM - edited 05-05-2022 04:01 PM
@BoltonSailor wrote -
I managed to break off one of the connections when faffing about in the loft and had to source a new router. I learned that you might have to ease open the TS9 on the lead to make it easier to connect to the router.
I've managed not to break the router this time, but the TS9 connections are terrible, I don't know who designed these, but they are far too flimsy (I am not heavy handed generally) and I am not at all convinced they make a solid connection, particularly the very thin inner cable.
That's not good, the TS9 Connecters on a Device wouldn't be my first choice, but they shouldn't be that bad, they should fit snug, click in nicely and be fairly free to connect and discount.
Think I might be inclined to Bin those, as previously said there's a lot of **bleep** connecters on the Market Place mostly fake copies from China, try and source some from a Reputable Supplier (UK, USA or Europe) or a well know Brand.
A good starting point would be to confirm the Specs on these TS9 and SMA,s, ideally spec rating of DC to 6GHz and if the Cable Adaptors confirm the Cable Type and quality, problem is as you can imaging, if it originates from China the Specs are probably Fake as well.
05-05-2022 04:20 PM - edited 05-05-2022 04:25 PM
@BoltonSailor looks like that Web UI is well locked down, no mention of RSRQ or SINR which are really handy measurements, the RSRP is good Info, RSSI doesn't really tell you much on LTE Networks, more importantly those vaulves shown are for the 4G side, no Signal Info on the 5G sadly, I know there's a 5G Signal Bar up the top, but that is just effectively a Pilot Light to tell you there's 5G in the Air, that will not confirm whether you are actually have a Data Connection to a 5G Signal.
On the Cell Site Info, sadly I cannot track the CID, I really need the eNIB of the Site, or you could always PM me the Site location, or a Post Code that is close to you.
Sad the LTE Ally didn't work, you could try it again and if it lets you select the NR5101 Router over the EE NR5103 (pretty much the same Device.
Another one you could try is Zyxel Air App (try the NR5101 it might connect, but check the Web IP) the Air App also looks like it contains some good Signal Info.
On your very last Post re the Cable swapping, Im just about to walk out the Door so I will absorb that info later.
Below some Screenshots I took of the Air App -
06-05-2022 08:22 AM
@EssexBoyEE Thanks for the continued feedback.
Re the TS9, During my testing yesterday, I had these installed: https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B0776L8VCQ/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o03_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
These are quite good in the fact that they have small port connectors, whereas these: https://cpc.farnell.com/proception/procon83/sma-socket-to-ts9-type-plug-50ohm/dp/CN23146?mckv=sw5mVu...
are quite large and risk touching each other when they're all connected.
I've swapped back to latter given your advice about 6Ghz etc, but am seeing no improvement.
In both cases, I have a feeling that the inner is not making a proper contact with the port on the router. When you look closely at the inners, they are very fine, and seem to project to different depths in the plug - to the point where I'm wondering if the inner makes contact with the router port at all. I'm wondering if I fluked a good contact in my testing yesterday to get that really good performance.
WRT to Air App - I've just tried that, but it's not finding my router on the network. I can try to find it manually using the IP address, but it's also asking for a HTTPS port which I don't know.
Happy to DM you my location if you can let me know how to do this. Thanks
08-05-2022 02:18 PM
@BoltonSailor - Wrote
@EssexBoyEE @Barz91 I've managed to test the 24 combinations today. I have the results on a spreadsheet if you'd like me to share that with you somehow, but I would say I've proved nothing conclusive, possibly as a result of time of day, possibly due to the vagaries of 5G signal.
I've managed not to break the router this time, but the TS9 connections are terrible, I don't know who designed these, but they are far too flimsy (I am not heavy handed generally) and I am not at all convinced they make a solid connection, particularly the very thin inner cable.
My cables are labelled as follows:
Cable 1 | A1X-POL+45 |
Cable 2 | A1X-POL-45 |
Cable 3 | A2X-POL+45 |
Cable 4 | A2X-POL-45 |
and my starting position was 1234 (ie cables connecting in order of ports, port 1 being the top 1 on the router. My hopes raised significantly when I tried 2143 and got a download speed of 314mbs - double that I normally see and logically ties up with what EssexBoy originally advised about the cable combinations. However in the time it took me to complete the rest of the combinations and go back to this one, I was seeing downloads of 150mbs again, and no more. I've left it in that combination and will see how it goes.
Unfortunately I didn't see which Cell ID the router was connecting to when it achieved this speed, as I only noticed late on that the cell ID changed occasionally with some combos, as did the number of channels being reported. I am again back to thinking this solution is highly complex and variable, and will have to settle for this being the best I will achieve. As I've said, I have a nagging doubt that the TS9s are not making a firm connections with the ports but I'm not really sure how I can check that. I look forward to Barz91's updates when he gets his 4x4.
Appreciate the continued Testing, happy to look at the Spreadsheet or any other Info if you want to PM it across.
On the Cell ID changing, this could or is probably going to happen if the Router is Up and Running while your Unplugging and Plugging in the External Antenna Cables, probably best to wait a while in between antenna swopping before doing new speed tests, or play safe and Reboot the Router after each Aerial swop then wait at least 10 mins for the Router to sort itself out before Testing again, bit painful I know.
On the TS9 Connectors (or any RF Connecter really), unlike an electrical connection which is connected or not, with RF it is possible to get an RF Connection without the Contacts actually touching if they are close enough together but with a fair degree of attenuation which will obviously impair overall Signal Quality, think your just going to have some faith in them and treat them with care but you already know that.
09-05-2022 04:48 AM
Hey guys I’m back.
I have been using the 2x2 Mimi antenna for a few days now and I must say I’m getting great results and EE fitted it for free for me so I’m going to save my self the extra £200 off and just enjoy 300/400+mbs and upload of around 70mbs
it would have been nice to have got the 4x4 and test it but I have a feeling it will not be a massive difference.
I’ve got everything wired up now and the router in the desired place all working fine so I’m just going to call it a day now.
I just wish ee had a better understanding of their own product and the users didn’t have to do so much digging their selves.
09-05-2022 06:23 AM
I don’t blame you - those are fantastic speeds!
31-05-2022 10:21 PM
Hi,
Was there an definitive conclusion to this subject?
I've recently agreed to a new contact with EE, their unlimited data package and the newest 5G Router, which I believe is the new NR5103 model.
Had the contractor out today, TCS, and they arrived with a 2x2 MIMO antenna, which did nothing to improve the bandwidth, they wouldn't even climb above the gutter line.
I'm just over near Wanstead, East London, and it looks like I need to buy my own 4x4 MIMO antenna and get someone else to come and install it on the chimney.
TCS said that they could do this, but it would be an extra £125 on top of the initial £100!! I've cancelled the installation, so for now it's only cost me £10.
Still within the cooling off period.
Cheers
01-06-2022 03:52 PM
@Bunchofkeys in a word, No.
I looked into this a bit more since the last posting on this and have provisionally come up with an idea as to what the 4 Antenna Ports actually do, but not definitive yet.
Interesting Forum Name (Bunch of keys), are you a Locksmith or a Cat Burglar ?, just thinking if its the latter you could climb up on the Roof and put the Aerial up there yourself. 😉
01-06-2022 04:15 PM - edited 01-06-2022 04:16 PM
@Bunchofkeys I would say the jury is very much still out. I did see a significant improvement when my 2x2 antenna was installed. The signal strengthened slightly with a 4x4 antenna, but there was no material increase in speed. I suspect the 4x4 is not being used either by the router, or in the broadcast of the signal (at least where I am). There are just to many ponderables on this for me and I ended up settling for what I had. (I couldn't face going up and down the ladder at gutter height, handling a 400mm square antenna again to be honest!)
If you're saying that the 2x2 was not delivering the speed you're looking for, I'd be surprised on my experience if the 4x4 would help that much more..