Who can actualy record 1.6gbps on a device in their property ?

Gfaefife
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So i'm a new customer full fibre installed by openreach for EE. 

1.6gbps guaranteed 1.3gbps. the full ee package. 

Had 12 openreach engineers attend my home max speed is 945mbps.

Tested the fibre with an exfo OTDR and the line is clear. 

Smart hub 2 has in input of 2.5gbps on the only wan port ( RED)  from the PON.  ( pon is the new small 2.5gbps box)

Hope my terminology for the device is correct but you get the idea.

But can only output on the 4 yellow ethernet ports at 1gbps so you can't ever get any faster with EE equipment.

Oh i hear you say its wifi 6 max speed oy of tht has been 750mbps on an android phone. 

The Openreach engineer has no way to test the speed at anything over 1gbps  he can bypass the hub and do a wireless test on his mobile through the router but not using the ee software,  that comes back as being fine but then gets a text with the result at 940mbps.....

The result is EE seem to be selling a service that with the current equipment can't give you the speeds you would expect.  so if someone out there has had a min 1.3gbps and recorded it on say OKLA speed test  i would be very interested to find out how this is possible .  I also have a 2.5gbps network card hooke to the hub with cat 8 cables so my equipment is capable. 

they have offered to downgrade my service but thats not why i chose EE. i wanted the high speeds and the bandwidth.

 i'm awaiting  details of what's going to happen from EE next week. as they are looking into the issue.

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miggle
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@Gfaefife an ASUS GT-AXE 16000

Full Fibre Busiest Home Bundle 1.6Gb.

Hi can I ask what piece of equipment you get these readings on?

I have tried on my Apple iPad Pro 12.9 M2 and can’t get more than 900 wether by WiFi or Direct into the router Ethernet connections

EE App download speed reporting 1630 at the time of testing 😞

qucharsky
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I get it on my iPhone 15 Pro Max but I have to make it clear it’s not all the time. Usually late in the evening or night when nothing else uses it and also I have 3 WiFi plus extenders around the relatively small house so this makes sure signal is very strong everywhere. But the highest readings are usually nearest the router.

timprocter
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Spent a lot of money on a Top Tier Router and never looked back.😎

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GosforthUK
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@Gfaefife let's decode EE/BT language first:

Speed Guarantee 1.3 Gbps is ONLY to the point of supplied EE Super Hub Plus, and as long as this is achieved, everything is fine...

Essentially, supplied typical speed of 1.6 Gbps down, 120 Mbps up is on the ONT and whilst ONT and EE SH+ are connected via 2.5 Gbps connection, full duplex negotiated, this speed will be achievable to the point of the router itself...

 

BT/EE never guarantee any speed BESIDE router itself. Firstly, because they can't control your own home environment (WiFi, LAN), and secondly, because EE SH+ is only 1 Gbps on LAN ports...

That said, when You first start your EE SH+ this will utilize only an 80 Mhz channel, and this will be automatically assigned to it, and  You have NO CONTROL over it...

With 80 Mhz bandwidth, you will never see anything over 1 Gbps on WiFi, more likely, due to standards, this will utilize an 864 Mhz or 1201 Mhz link between the capable device and Wifi, and in real  life, your WiFi speed will be maxing somewhere at 750 Mbps down...

EE SH+ however, usually 24 hours after you fire it, will update itself, and utilize 160 Mhz channel bandwidth, most likely, utilizing channel 100 on 5Ghz WiFi...

With 160 Mhz bandwidth,  compatible devices will be able to achieve a 2402 Mhz link between the WiFi router and the device. With this, You will be able to see 1.3 to 1.6 Gbps speed over the WiFi, and that's only if one device will demand a connection. In principle, with more devices sharing a connection, your speed will go down, but that's nothing surprising here...

You will NEVER see anything over 1 Gbps on LAN with supplied EE Super Hub Plus, because that's HW limitation. 

 

Why EE is this stupid, not sure, but it's very close to misleading customers, whilst supplying a router, that is not able to provide expected speeds on both WiFi and LAN.

 

On other hand, not only WiFi router need to be able provide respective class of connection, but also device, You connecting into it.

Example:

My old Oppo Find X3 Neo is the only WiFi5 device, and it's able to utilize a maximum of 80 Mhz channels on a 5Ghz spectrum, with a maximum established link of 864 Mbps. This will make HW limitation and therefore, no speeds over, say 850 Mbps possible, more likely up to 800 Mbps.

 

My newer Xiaomi phone, on the other hand, it's a WiFi6E device, and it's able fully utilize a 160 Mhz channel, and establish a 2402 Mbps link with a WiFi router.  On this device, I seen 1.3 Gbps+ with EE supplied router.

 

However, this router it's back in the box and in storage, not used at all. I went via route, to use my own equipment itself. Backbone it's on 2.5 Gbps LAN and my main WiFi AP it's capable of providing full of this, which means, I can see easily 1.5 to 1.7 Gbps on my EE BB now over the wifi, and the same over the LAN.

Obviously, whilst I have around 50 devices of different types and speed limits on my network, the usual connection speed it's in the range of 1.3 to 1.5 Gbps for me, and in peak times, my most demanding devices share this and are still capable to have approx 500-700 Mbps each of them in the same time. I am happy with that...

 

 

GosforthUK
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@Gfaefife NOT EE supplied HW, but my own TP Link Omada network, connected to EAP670 (2.5 Gbps backbone) over 160 MHz channel, with established 2402 Mbps link from my Xiaomi phone:

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Distance from AP approximately 11 ft, over one wall, therefore slightly affected speed, with all other devices normally connected, but mostly iddle over the time of speed test.

SarahS83
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Did this get fixed?  I'm in the same situation where my speed has maxed out at 945Mbps.

Cannot get it over the 1gbps even tho I'm.on full 1.6 package.  As you I have the hardware to get up to 2.5gbps but ee are currently not hitting the 1.3gbps promised.  

I'm also having trouble logging into the hub through EE app...all I get is a red triangle saying error try again.  Very frustrating as this is the only way they will accept a speed test!

pyrotenax
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 on my mobile with Unifi equipment 

timprocter
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@SarahS83  taken 5 minutes ago. iPhone 15 Pro Max, be sure to try different servers.😉

 

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GosforthUK
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Problem of supplied EESmarth Hub+ is as it default idea is to use 80 Mhz bandwight on channel, and not 160 Mhz. 

which, in theory it's good logic, whilst at significantly densed enviroment, less bandwidth produce more stable conneciton.

Unfortunately, that means, as You will at no chance see full speed over WiFi. 

 

When I USEDfirst few weeks supplied EErouter, it after upgrade of FW, changed self over few hours to Channel 100 and to 160 Mhz channel bandwidth and, with no problem provided around 1.3 Gbps over the wifi.

But, there was no control over this behaviour and therefore, at ANY given moment, router was roaming between channels, and changed bandwidth randomly, in panic attempts to sort WiFi congestion on channels.

One of the reason, why I fully upgraded my Omada network (used it in fact with older BT SH2 router in bridge mode on BBFF900 ofter good 2 years) to allow me fully handle 2.5 gbps backbone and from that moment, I have stable 1.4-1.6 Gbps download speed over the wifi (in fact if I don't manually restart my router and WiFi AP, it will be longer than actual 104 days consecutive service). 

I would like to have full control over my WiFi and LAN network, which it's not possible with EE provided customer oriented router, therefore, it's somewhere under the bed 🙂 in box good 7 months now...