01-10-2019 08:09 AM
Please help
01-02-2021 07:26 AM
That's odd as BT Mobile run off EE
01-02-2021 08:46 AM
Vodafone still offer this valuable feature and it's free! We can choose to leave EE and go to Vodafone and I. for one, intend to!
01-02-2021 09:20 AM
Good luck over at Vodafone
01-02-2021 09:26 AM
@PaulKT you keep spouting out that this doesn't cost EE anything or very little to maintain as if you are their financial advisor and know their incoming and outgoings.
EE can stop any service and no court will stop EE from ending a service they do not have to supply.
02-02-2021 12:40 PM
Hi @BrendonH not sure why you need to get personal with a pejorative "spouting" but I have two computer science degrees and specialised in mobile communications, I also happened to work for Sony Ericsson a mobile phone manufacturer back in the day and EE is owned by the BT Group, I'm not sure if you are aware but they are massive and have plenty of profits so yes the cost is very minimal and relative to their profits insignificant.
As for what a court would do, I am sorry to disagree but my other specialism is legal matters and I can tell you a court action from a consumer in my professional opinion would be successful if it could be proven there was a reasonable expectation of this service i.e. regular use and no warning at upgrade or renewal that it would be discontinued. At the very least the court would vacate the client from the contract and allow them to leave. I do agree though injunctive relief in the form of requiring EE to restore it would be unlikely and that litigation in a business context could be considerably more costly and with a far lower chance of success.
I am sorry if my opinions upset you, I assume they must have if you accuse me of "spouting" please feel free not to follow this thread or engage in the discussion with me. I do consider that I should not have to qualify or justify my opinions, but I feel I was left no choice.
02-02-2021 12:44 PM
@PaulKT wrote:Hi @BrendonH not sure why you need to get personal with a pejorative "spouting" but I have two computer science degrees and specialised in mobile communications, I also happened to work for Sony Ericsson a mobile phone manufacturer back in the day and EE is owned by the BT Group, I'm not sure if you are aware but they are massive and have plenty of profits so yes the cost is very minimal and relative to their profits insignificant.
As for what a court would do, I am sorry to disagree but my other specialism is legal matters and I can tell you a court action from a consumer in my professional opinion would be successful if it could be proven there was a reasonable expectation of this service i.e. regular use and no warning at upgrade or renewal that it would be discontinued. At the very least the court would vacate the client from the contract and allow them to leave. I do agree though injunctive relief in the form of requiring EE to restore it would be unlikely and that litigation in a business context could be considerably more costly and with a far lower chance of success.
I am sorry if my opinions upset you, I assume they must have if you accuse me of "spouting" please feel free not to follow this thread or engage in the discussion with me. I do consider that I should not have to qualify or justify my opinions, but I feel I was left no choice.
I don't care about your personal achievements or who you work for. This doesn't matter. What matters is EE has decided to shut down a service.
It doesn't matter how much profit EE/BT make.
If my dad took the approach you state with his business he wouldn't have the money he does now after deciding to close the business this March due to Brexit.
He didn't spend the profits just to keep his a select few customers happy.
02-02-2021 12:52 PM
It is not my personal achievements but justifying my experience and expertise in this area, you are the one who challenged how I can make these statements and accused me of "spouting". I have no idea why you are defending EE or have any interest in this thread as you clearly are not affected by it in any way. I am unsure why you feel the need to come on here solely with the purpose to upset people raising legitimate grievances. It does not matter if you think they are illitigatement, you do not know the context or the detail; nor does it matter if you think EE were justified.
You are correct the fundamental issue is that EE decided to shut down a service and that is what the lion-share of people on this thread are unhappy about, please leave us to be unhappy and contribute elsewhere perhaps were you can be helpful rather than needlessly aggressive and offensive.
I also sold my business in March, the pandemic is awful and all the more reason why everyone should be compassionate and helpful to each other. I am expressing my view, you can disagree with it by all means but there is no reason to get personal. It is not about keeping a select few customers happy, this service is vital in a number of contexts, not for satisfaction but to meet requirements. This is why in some, maybe most cases people are leaving.
I suggest we leave it here as we are not going to see eye-to-eye on this and I am sure we both have better things to do. I will continue to protest where I see relevant and hope, probably in vain, that EE reverse this decision.
10-03-2022 01:00 PM
This is a real shame it no longer works, it was very useful to use this feature that is so prominent on the iPhone call screen as a standard handset feature.
It was super convenient.
I'm on an all inclusive business tariff (which has just increased by nearly 10%), this shouldn't be a cost issue.
10-03-2022 01:15 PM
@pbscreative It’s not a cost issue it’s a potential fraud issue.
10-03-2022 01:31 PM
Interesting. How was it abused?
I've read about OTP fraud like this link, but I can't understand the process flow for this to work.
It seems to rely on the user to need to initiate the merge call?