One Time Pin (OTP) Scam
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16-01-2024 10:53 AM
In June, someone has fraudulently taken 3 mobile phone contracts in my husband’s name at the EE store in Woking.
This only came to light when he received his July bill and it was referred to EE’s fraud team.
The fraud team have basically said that fraud hasn’t taken place and he taken the phone contracts out himself because a one time pin was sent to his phone to enable the employee to process the contracts.
Just to give you some context, these contracts were taken out at 5pm in Woking where my husband supposedly was at that time! (we live over 200 miles away from Woking) But I have looked through my camera roll and we went out for dinner in Manchester at about 7pm on that day!
I went into a local EE store and asked them what their procedure was if someone came in to purchase a contract. They advised protocol was to request ID but they would normally just accept the one time pin. I explained the situation we were in, and the employee advised that this was a known scam by someone who used to work for EE.
At the time, I asked for CCTV of the store which they wouldn’t provide. I asked if any ID was requested from the individual who was posing as my husband, they confirmed nothing was requested as the one time pin was sufficient to prove who he was as the physical phone would have to have been at the store and the employee would’ve needed to see the one time pin on his actual phone. They also didn’t take any up front cost on 3 iphone 14 pro max’s which I found very bizarre! As the bank details would’ve helped us track down who it actually was.
We went back and forth for a while, until they issued the deadlock letter and sent us to the communications ombudsman.
The ombudsman came back to say that they couldn’t look into this any further as they don’t assess whether fraud as taken place. As such, we were directed to the police and action fraud.
I contacted Surrey police, who advised as 28 days had passed since the incident, EE would most likely not provide CCTV for the store and whilst they accept this is a case of fraud, without a suspect they wouldn’t be able to look into this any further but would report the phones stolen. The lady was very helpful and did ring the Woking EE store and they advised the employee who actually sold these contracts no longer works for EE. The police provided me with a CRN and advised me to pass this to EE who should hopefully shut the accounts down.
I called EE and they said regardless of what the police had said, they don’t believe fraud has taken place and they wouldn’t be taking any further action.
In the meantime, we continued to pay the direct debit for over £300 every month as we were in the middle of buying our first home and didn’t want to affect his credit rating. We moved into our house in October and cancelled the direct debit immediately.
EE cut his phone line off last week, so I called them to see if they were willing to come to an agreement or he would be leaving EE. They have now asked for £6,000 to close the whole account down!
I have spoken to action fraud who have logged this and have passed it to the NFIB. They didn’t think NFIB would be able to do anything, and the likelihood would be that we would have to take this to court.
We have received a letter today from the debt collectors but just wanted to know if anything similar has happened to anyone or if they know of how a OTP can be sent to a different phone posing to be the one linked to the account.
This has really affected us a family, both financially and mentally. My husband already suffers from poor mental health and this has sent him in a downward spiral.
I watched the post office scandal last night and I couldnt help but think we are victims of a much bigger scam and EE are turning a blind eye to this.
any help would be greatly appreciated.
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06-09-2024 11:55 AM
Hi @MHussain92
I can understand your concern with the account being passed to Moorcroft.
Have you raised a complaint if you weren't able to get a resolution with our customer service guides?
Michael
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08-09-2024 09:28 PM
Hi @Michael_D
I've raised complaints through EE with no success, I have raised a complaint through Moorcroft about this now
Mohammad
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09-09-2024 08:11 AM
Thanks for confirming that @MHussain92.
When you raised this as a complaint were you given the opportunity to highlight this as fraud?
Also if you haven't already, I'd recommend raising this with the Police via Action Fraud, as if we were to log this with our fraud team it helps to have a Police incident number.
Peter
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09-09-2024 04:48 PM
@Peter_W
It was highlighted as fraud on the first instance when I contacted EE for changes made on my account.
I reported it to Action Fraud and provided EE with the reference number but still they refuse to take accountability for failing to safe guard my account.
Mohammad
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10-09-2024 01:15 PM
Hi @MHussain92
I've sent you a private message to try and get you some help with this. Please take a look and get back to me.
Thanks
Chris
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08-10-2024 11:12 AM
Update on this ... I am still in the same place I was when I added to this forum
No contact made from EE
Sent a letter to CEO of EE and Head of Complaints, Phillip Bradley (Executive Complaints) responded by email and ending the trail by stating any further correspondence regarding this matter may not be responded to so leaving me to take this on.
Still no answer from EE why they did not view store footage that will clearly show I did not make the purchases or even allow me to see the footage, seem to always step past that question.
Action Fraud are impossible to get through to but the last contact I had with them they advised by giving the reference number that I have logged this when them would help me but EE seem to not acknowledge that point.
Any advice anyone can provide on how I can put an end to this nightmare?
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08-10-2024 12:31 PM
Thanks for taking the time to update us on this @MHussain92.
I'm really sorry that you've not received the outcome you were looking for here, but based on what you've mentioned here it does sound like this has exhausted our complaints process.
If you're advised by our Executive team that there will be no further correspondence, then this would usually suggest it's reached a point of deadlock, where you would be referred to the Ombudsman for independent review.
You can find the full details of this via our complaints code of practice.
Peter
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11-10-2024 06:23 PM
Thank you Peter I appreciate your response
I feel your fraud and complaints team have been incompetent with my situation and now seem to have washed there hands with it for me to deal with and as you can imagine it has not been fun that has been draining me since May this year.
Takeaway points;
-I am one of many EE customers that is a victim of this fraud (seen through online forums and articles)
-EE processed as sale for my account instore without any valid ID checks
-Items taken were 5 iphone 15's, high end products so how did EE allow these to leave the store without proper checks
-Did not check CCTV footage or allow me to check it (as this would clear my name)
-Stated OTP was used in store to complete sale but now I have been advised by Phillip Bradley that the OTP was not used.
-Passed onto Moorcroft
-Credit file affected majorly
-EE will not deal with this anymore and expect me to clear a balance that is not mines
Thanks
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25-01-2025 11:25 AM
I have had the exact same problem. I have passed it on to the ombudsman waiting for ther decision. I don’t know what to do next as I can not afford this and not clear a bill that isn’t mine. Any suggestions what happens next and what to do?
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25-01-2025 11:31 AM
What has happened now with your situation? As I feel my situation will be same as your? Are you paying your debt to moorcroft now?
