02-11-2023 11:44 AM
My phone has been broken for the last 3 weeks(ish), but I kept putting off getting it replaced. This week I decided that although it was actually bliss for a while not having a phone, I needed to get it sorted.
I knew I was well overdue an upograde, (about 2 years overdue), so I thought it would be simple to arrange an upgrade to replace my broken phone. (Oh how wrong I was).
Initially I tried to sign up to an upgrade deal on the website that looked ok but when I went to confirm the deal it told me that I needed to confirm a verification PIN that would be sent to my phone, which obviously wouldn't work because my phone was broken.
So I contacted EE on Twitter and got put through to their upgrades team and after spending approx 10 hours answering their questions, (and being verified twice by a single use PIN that was sent to the email address they had on file), as well as loads of other questions, they eventually told me that they couldn't help me because I needed access to the PIN in order to receive the phone from DPD. I thought this was madness because how can I receive a PIN when I haven't got my phone, but I was tired so I left it on Monday night and went to bed.
On Tuesday I tried again and was identified again and verified again, (including via the single use PIN to my email address) and was eventually advised that this couldn't be resolved online, but that if I went into my local branch then they would be able to help me there.
I wasn't happy about this because I'm recovering from hip-replacement surgery and I don't drive and it's a hell of a trek to the local store, (Rushden Lakes), because I live in a rural area with poor public transport. Anyway, I traipsed all the way in to the store and explained the situation to staff member Chelsea who explained that there was nothing she could do because they relied on the same PIN system as DPD. She did tell me though that EE could send the PIN via email rather than SMS message and she knew this because she had managed to do that in similar circumstances.
In any case, the best deal she could offer me was £120 more expensive than the deal I had picked online. What was I paying £240 more, (over the course of the contract) for exactly? For being made to walk into the store and mucked about?
I asked her what would happen if my phone was lost or stolen and she said that she would be able to issue a replacement PIN, use one of the phones in store and we would do it that way. Great I said, let's get started on that then! She said we couldn't do that because she knew my phone wasn't lost or stolen. I was astonished. Now I had to walk all the way home, (still with no phone), get the phone and then walk back to the store AGAIN.
When I got home I couldn't find the phone. (Remember I haven't used it for more than 3 weeks). I looked everywhere and don't know what I've done with it. Now the phone really is lost! I spoke to Linsey again and she blatantly refused to believe that I had been into the Rushden Lakes store because "nobody had accessed my account". I told her the name of the staff member I had spoken to in order to verify this, but she wasn't interested. She just said that nobody had been into my account so I hadn't been to the store.
What do you say to this? To be honest I was lost for words and just gave up.
Later on I contacted EE on their chat service again and spoke to Rosie in upgrades and explain the situation in great detail. She says she has a solution because there is a phone/plan that doesn't require a PIN. I ask her if she's sure because I was told there was no way around this and she assures me it will all be fine. She spend hours going through everything with me and eventually signs me up to a new 2 year contract and tells me the phone will arrive tomorrow and that no PIN will be required.
The DPD driver knocked on my door this morning and much to my surprise asks me for a PIN. I didn't know whether to laugh or cry. He politely checked with his office and confirmed that a PIN was indeed required and when I asked him if there is EVER an EE phone delivery where the PIN isn't required he said "not in his experience" and off he went.
So all that time I had spent online with Rosie supposedly coming up with a solution to my problem was just complete rubbish. I don't know if she was just incompetent or she lied simply to get another sale through, but either way I can't get a phone delivered from DPD because I don't have a working phone to receive the PIN.
I ended the chat by saying that I'm just going to cancel the DD and go and buy a Tesco mobile or something. I've just had enough.
I'm paying about £50 a month to a company who treat me like this? I'm just astonished.
I think I'm going to go back into the store tomorrow and give it 1 last try, (I'm too sore to walk there today).
In all my years I have never experienced anything like this. It's a poxy phone!
Oh 1 last thing. When I was initially getting frustrated on the 1st Day, (it's now the 3rd day), I raised a formal complaint. Great you would think. That will surely resolve it when that gets dealt with. No. They take a minimum of 7 days to respond to a complaint. Honestly, I've never even heard of anything like this. If someone told me all this I don't think I would have believed them.
I'm paying EE in excess of £600 a year and they are not in the slightest bit interested in helping me.
02-11-2023 05:33 PM
Yep. Never fully appreciated how important a spare mobile was until now.
The possible solution that I've come up with, (not sure why nobody at EE has suggested this), is that I buy a cheap handset tomorrow and use that with the SIM that will arrive next week, and then do the upgrade as normal after that.
It means buying a 2nd phone but I think we've already clarified that that's not the disaster it might have been as long as I don't pay too much for it.
To be honest, had this been suggested in the shop yesterday I would have just paid whatever to get it sorted there and then. For some reason all the EE staff have been more keen on barriers than solutions. It really is a strange attitude in a sales industry. Sell me a cheap phone(only & paid up front), and then flog me an upgrade afterwards and it's win-win. Nah. Too simple.
02-11-2023 05:35 PM
I have done James. I went through that yesterday when I got home.
02-11-2023 05:48 PM
02-11-2023 05:55 PM
No I don't think it will. The process of reporting the phone lost was resolved by me signing up to a new contract with a new phone/SIM. At no point was it ever communicated that a replacement SIM would be sent to me and I never received an email confirmation that a replacement SIM was on the way.
Because of that, after the failed delivery of the upgrade phone this morning, I rang up and paid for a replacement SIM completely separately today.
Your faith in how the system should work is admirable, however in my experience there is a significant difference between how the system should work and how it actually works.
02-11-2023 06:12 PM
Hi @Nutinvah,
If the SIM that was ordered was processed as a lost/stolen replacement it will be pre-activated and ready to use.
If you aren't sure if it was, I'd recommend calling 07953 966 250 to check and to make sure the old one has been deactivated to prevent any unauthorised use.
James
02-11-2023 06:25 PM - edited 02-11-2023 06:26 PM
I don't have a phone James so unfortunately I'm not able to call them and after having spent almost 3 full days talking in chat to people who really don't have a clue what they are doing, I just can't face it.
I have received an email confirming the processing of the replacement SIM that I ordered today, (that specifically tells me that it does require activation with a PIN), and there has been no other confirmation of any other replacement SIM processed. Like I said I don't think they dealt with the loss at all. I think they just saw an opportunity to make a sale instead.
At no point in the conversation did anyone ever tell me that a SIM that is sent as a replacement when a phone is lost, does not have to be activated. I have literally spent hours and hours and hours on this over the past few days. (I have done little else).
I just can't face the chat anymore. It's soul-destroying.
[Edit]
I have made a written complaint so this is just something else to add to the list when they eventually decide to respond to me.
02-11-2023 06:41 PM
To be honest James. Do you mind if I pick your brains while you are here? You sound far more clued up than the people who I have been speaking to and while you can't respond to questions specifically about my account, I would love to get some general information/advice from you.
1. I have lost my phone, (and the SIM is in the phone). In order to receive a replacement phone from DPD I need to have access to both a phone and a SIM, (in order to receive the PIN to give to the DPD driver). How does someone like yourself suggest that this is done when there is (A) No PIN and (B) No spare mobile. I'm guessing that this is relatively common and I can't believe for a minute that there is no workaround. Do you have any experience of this?
2. I don't have a passport or a drivers licence, (like 11M other people within the UK). What systems does EE have in place to accommodate these people?
3. The member of staff I spoke to in the Rushden Lakes store yesterday told me that she received her PIN via email rather than text message and she urged me to go back to customer services to request this. I have done so and they have categorically stated that it's just not possible because the PIN number comes from DPD rather than EE, (and that sounds right actually), so what on Earth was Chelsea at the Rushden lakes branch thinking of?
4. Why does it take 7 days to respond to a complaint? (Is this simply to hope that the customer complaining gives up and goes away rather than following through with the complaint). I've already had 1 email asking if I would like to continue with the complaint and if I don't respond within 72 hours then the complaint will be cancelled. Why would I make a complaint and then want to cancel it?
02-11-2023 07:01 PM
Hi @Nutinvah,
In your specific scenario, the best course of action would be to report your phone lost on 07953 966 250 (You can call this number 24/7 from any phone including mobiles, landlines and VoIP services such as Skype).
This will prevent the risk of any unauthorised use being billed to your account and also make sure a pre-activated SIM is delivered to your home address.
This should mean you are able to pop the SIM in any phone to allow you to receive an OTP.
As some complaints are more complex than others, the time to complete the required fact finding or investigations can vary. Some complaints are completed in a quicker timescale.
Hope this helps.
James
03-11-2023 03:35 PM - edited 03-11-2023 03:36 PM
So the most recent update is this.
Last night I confirmed with Kyle, (manning EE on Twitter), that my replacement SIM was being processed and was either on it's way to me already or would be sent shortly.
He confirmed that it would be.
I asked him to check if this would require activation when I received it or if it would already be activated.
He assured me that it would be activated already and it would be ready to go.
This morning I went out and brought a cheap phone, (unlocked), in anticipation of the SIM arriving in the next few days.
This Afternoon I was pleasantly surprised when the replacement SIM was delivered in the post.
I inserted the SIM and nothing. I took it out and put it back in and tried to look at the settings and eventually came to the conclusion that the SIM hadn't been activated.
I got back in contact with Kyle, (manning the EE Twitter account), and told him that I thought that my PIN needed to be activated and he assured me again that no, it didn't, but could I give him the Serial No just so he could double check.
I did this and after a few mins he comes back to tell me that he had activated the PIN and that I could use it in 24 hours.
So my PIN has arrived and I have gone out and bought a new phone and I STILL can't ring EE.
At what point do you think it's reasonable for me to suggest that this is something more than just continued and on-going repetitive incompetence?
It's got to the stage that I'm not sure if I'm being lied to, or if the staff honestly just haven't a clue what is going on and are just making it up as they go, hoping to get something right by the sheer law of averages.
I have told this all to a friend this Afternoon and he honestly didn't believe that all this had happened in 1 week. He thinks that it's more likely that at least some of this is being done on purpose rather than everything being accidental.
03-11-2023 03:53 PM
Hi @Nutinvah,
It sounds like Kyle has taken the correct action to get your SIM up and running.
Please allow up to 24 hours for it to activate.
James