21-05-2019 07:35 AM - last edited 2 weeks ago by Sorcha
This year, EE is rolling out 5G to the busiest parts of 16 UK cities. We’re really excited to see how the next generation of mobile technology will benefit consumers and businesses, but we understand there are some questions being asked around any environmental and health effects associated with 5G.
The vast majority of concerns about 5G are based on the misunderstanding that 5G is a ‘millimetre wave’ or ‘mmWave’ technology – this isn’t true. Operators will not be launching 5G mobile networks with mmWave frequencies in the UK in 2019. Articles have been written about mmWave spectrum (radio waves between 28GHz and 100GHz, with a very short wavelength) being a ‘military’ technology and even suggesting that the use of it will result in a mobile site ‘for every 10-20 houses in the UK’. These things are not true.
It’s important that the facts are explained so that the public are informed and not misled.
We are initially rolling out 5G on spectrum in the 3.4GHz range. This is very similar to our 4G, 3G and 2G services, which operate on radio spectrum between 800MHz and 2.6GHz. We will roll 5G out using existing mast sites – meaning there will be no significant increase in sites in our initial roll out over the coming year.
Since the industry started operating mobile networks back in the 80s, all wireless technologies have to be rolled out under strict government guidelines, which are based on medical studies and research programmes going back more than twenty years, and are reviewed on an ongoing basis. The research and associated guidelines include all wireless technologies used globally and in the UK – for 2G, 3G, 4G, WiFi and now 5G. – including both low frequency and higher frequency radio spectrum, also known as mmWave radio spectrum.
In addition, there are strict rules on the power level that each site broadcasts a signal at – this is governed by an organisation called ICNIRP.org, which informs the Health & Safety Executive and Public Health England, together acting as the health-related watchdog for the mobile industry. All 5G is being rolled out within those guidelines.
It’s important to point out that no health risks have been established from exposure to the low-level radio signals used for mobile communications (and WiFi), and this includes 5G
Operators in the US have chosen to use the higher frequency mmWave spectrum, and there is no danger associated to that - because all new wireless technologies are rolled out under similar strict guidelines.
It’s also important to understand that the radio waves that carry mobile signals are non-ionizing. What does this mean? That’s best answered by looking at the waves that are ionizing: alpha rays, beta rays and gamma rays. These waves have the power to change the structure of a cell, and potentially cause illness, such as cancer, if there is significant exposure.
However, non-ionizing waves, the waves that carry mobile signals, are not able to change the structure of a cell, so don’t cause any cellular damage, and as such don’t cause illness.
Ultra-violet (UV) waves – ie. rays from the sun – sit on the cusp between non-ionizing and ionizing. These are (as we all know and accept every summer!) absolutely harmless unless you have too much, in which case they can be potentially dangerous. UV waves are more than ten times higher frequencies than the highest mmWave frequencies that many articles are using as the basis for their concerns.
If you’ve read that we won’t be able to predict the weather once 5G is launched, that’s fake news. The radio spectrum frequencies that are reportedly at risk of affecting weather have been used for certain applications in the UK for many years, and this has never been an issue; we’re in close dialogue with Ofcom on this to ensure that remains the case.
Finally, there’s also stories of bees dying and more than five million trees being cut down for 5G. Again these are all fake news stories, based on no facts and simply untrue.
We’re building 5G to help keep our customers connected to what matters to them most. 5G will bring a faster, more reliable connection - it will be the best mobile experience UK consumers have ever had. We take all health concerns seriously, and we’ll continue to monitor all legitimate research into 5G and keep liaising with community groups that are concerned about 5G.
Here is more information on this matter from the NHS:
We’ve answered some further questions that have been posted by community users in this thread:
There's been some scaremongering, conspiracy theories and fake news spread about 5G – we saw the exact same thing with 4G, and 3G before that.
If you would like to read some more information about 5G by a 3rd party, we recommend an article by WIRED about the misinformation being spread about 5G, which is worth reading.
mmWave frequencies are on the global roadmap for 5G, but there is currently no licence to use these to provide a mobile service in the UK. What’s important to note here is that mmWave frequencies are not dangerous, and the power levels at which they can be rolled out are regulated by ICNIRP.org – the same as all other mobile spectrum we use.
We assume here that you’re referring to the so-called ‘Active Denial System’, developed by a company called Raytheon. This is often referenced as a reason why mmWave frequencies are dangerous, but there’s zero relationship between this and the use of frequencies for communications networks. It’s like saying that all planes are bad because the military use planes – just nonsense.
We will assess the need for small cells as customer demand for data continues to grow.
That doesn’t sound economically viable.
Studies, like COSMOS, are ongoing, and studies into the electromagnetic waves that mobile communications use have been ongoing for decades. Groups like the WHO, Public Health England and ICNIRP.org are constantly monitoring studies and data from mobile operators to ensure the guidance that they provide is accurate.
The power levels that we adhere to will not be exceeded by 5G. Each new generation of technology in mobile tends to get some resurgence of these claims, generally by claiming no research has been done on that latest generation technology. But that’s a red herring – mobile communication is all just information modulated onto electromagnetic waves, which have been studied for decades.
There is no reason to suppose that the particular manner of that modulation, if different with a new technology (2G, 3G, 4G or 5G), will somehow magically manipulate the properties of electromagnetic waves as to cause some new risk to health.
Facts state that, dependent on the energy and exposure time, non-ionising radiation can cause localised heating, or photochemical reactions can occur with possible permanent harm. Exposure can warm up exposed tissues because these absorb the radio wave and microwave energy and convert these into heat. The frequency level determines the depth of penetration into the body.
Two things are conflated here; the well-understood heating effects of electromagnetic waves if left unchecked, and the ability of those waves to cause cancer by changing the structure of a cell.
I really hope that I've been able to answer your questions here, but if you have any more comments or questions please tap "Reply" below and we'll all do our best to help.
21-05-2019 03:33 PM
In addition to this detailed post, it can also be noted that the spectrum band EE is deploying 5G with currently has been used for many years for the delivery of electronic communications services.
In time 5G will be deployed on the same frequencies as carry Freeview TV currently.
25-05-2019 01:15 PM
Denial, Omission, Smoke & Mirrors:
A Response to EE's 'Is 5G safe? Your questions answered' Article.
Fact V.s Fiction
Firstly, the vast majority of concerns regarding 5G is the fact it is being forced on the public and environment
with no health and safety tests and is being presumed safe. (https://youtu.be/ekNC0J3xx1w)
5G will use the existing 2, 3 and 4g frequencies, but will add another higher frequency of RF radiation on top.
Hundreds of Scientists and Doctors calling for a halt to the 5G rollout because it is untested, and because of recent studies showing the negative effects of 2, 3 and 4G (http://www.5gappeal.eu/)
These concerns and the growing number of people raising them are being totally ignored by the telecommunications companies and the government bodies and organisations that regulate and advise them.
So as well as the harmful effects 2, 3 and 4G is already having on us, animals wildlife, and the environment, there will be an additional layer of higher frequency radiation adding to that harm.
In the U.S, telecommunications companies are using frequencies in the millimetre wave spectrum.
Because these waves can't travel through obstacles and are, and this is a major point regarding 5G's use of millimetre waves, easily absorbed by human tissue, animal life, trees, plant life etc. the 5G network will need 1000's of 'small cell' towers in local areas to ensure coverage.
So, EE can say"Operators will not be launching 5G mobile networks with mmWave frequencies in the UK in 2019"
That's true, but misleading. They may not be launching the network with mmWave frequencies in 2019, but in the years following, mmWave frequencies will be used, and that will mean 1000's of smaller cell towers lining residential streets, directly outside homes, bathing you and your family in harmful mmWave radiation 24hrs a day 365 days a year.
EE continue, and this article is clearly being very careful in it's use of language and claims for legal reasons,
"We are initially rolling out 5G on spectrum in the 3.4GHz range."Initially, maybe, but that doesn't mean it will stay in that range.
"We will roll 5G out using existing mast sites – meaning there will be no significant increase in sites in our initial roll out over the coming year."Maybe not in the coming year, but once everything and everyone has switched to 5G, there will need to be a significant increase in mast sites.
Will 5G harm my health?
"wireless technologies have to be rolled out under strict government guidelines, which are based on medical studies and research programmes going back more than twenty years" Sadly, these guidelines are not 'strict' but yes, they are based on decades old, outdated data, that only focuses on the dangers of RF radiation heating human tissue, and the negative health impacts that has.
EE continues, saying these guidelines "are reviewed on an ongoing basis." but again, that is based on either out of date research, or research with a narrow focus, because if a radio frequency radiation transmission is of a low power it is presumed safe because it will not heat human tissue.
This presumption of safety, completely ignores the overwhelming amount of recent research demonstrating how the pulsing nature of these waves harms cells, produces stress proteins, causes cardio vascular and neurological disorders etc. (https://ehtrust.org/science/)
So it's not only about the power these signals are transmitted with, it's the pulsing nature of these signals that causes the harm, a detail the telecommunications companies ignore and do not want to address, because the admittance of their dangers would mean a drastic and expensive change in the way these companies operate, as well as a huge cost in lawsuits, which will be coming whether these companies admit the dangers or not.
EE then say "It’s important to point out that no health risks have been established from exposure to the low-level radio signals used for mobile communications (and WiFi), and this includes 5G" That is clearly untrue, and is based on their own denial of recent data and their blinkered focus on only the dangers associated with the heating of human tissue by RF radiation. Plus, of course, the first link I provided explains how ZERO tests have been done on 5G for it's health effects on humans, animals, wildlife and the environment.
Non-ionizing vs Ionizing waves
EE states;"non-ionizing waves, the waves that carry mobile signals, are not able to change the structure of a cell, so don’t cause any cellular damage, and as such don’t cause illness."Apart from the glaring omission throughout EE's whole article, pointing to any scientific studies whatsoever backing up any of the claims made, even The World Health Organisation class pre-5G as "possibly carcinogenic to humans" and that's based on old, narrow focused studies regarding the heating of tissue.
Recent studies show links to a variety of illnesses and disorders associated with mobile phone and phone mast radiation.
EE continues, again providing no evidence or studies whatsoever, and using the Donald Trump defensive cry of 'FAKE NEWS!' for any concerns or criticism raised about the effects of their untested 5G rollout.
It should be down to the telecommunications companies, like EE, to prove that 5G is safe BEFORE forcing it upon us.
That should also have been the case before the implementation of 2, 3 and 4G, but sadly, by denying recent studies, ignoring the growing number of scientists, doctors, and concerned members of the public, using decades old data to justify the presumption of safety, and by weak and clearly compromised governments and organisations who should be protecting the public and the environment, these companies are being allowed to force 5G upon us, with no consultation with communities and with ZERO health and environmental impact tests.
Unfortunately, ourselves, our families, animals, wildlife and the environment are the Guinea pigs in their 5G experiment.
We'll be paying the price, whilst they rake in the profits.
25-05-2019 02:00 PM
Conspiracy theorists are out again.
25-05-2019 03:08 PM
...is 5G really safe!?...does that depend on whose supplying the infrastructure...er... Huawei for instance??...won't stop the government evesdropping... unless EE aren't obliged to disclose information I guess.... incidentally ,what is EE's stance on this topic?
25-05-2019 03:26 PM - edited 25-05-2019 03:27 PM
This Huawei thing is stupid.
It's just trump trying to rule the world.
Yes Huawei is a Chinese company.
Yes a Chinese company has to cooperate with Chinese intelligence.
Just like an American company had to cooperate with US intelligence
And an English company has to cooperate with UK intelligence.
25-05-2019 03:38 PM
As if to demonstrate what I wrote in my previous reply:
FCC Admits It Has Not Updated Its Regulations Regarding Radiofrequency RF Safety Since 1996
26-05-2019 11:32 AM - edited 26-05-2019 11:47 AM
For all those who predictably mention 'tin foil hats' or 'conspiracy theories' when anyone voices concern about untested 5G, you should let a Doctor explain:
Dr. Sharon Goldberg Testifies at Michigan's 5G Small Cell Tower Legislation Hearing October 4, 2018
26-05-2019 11:44 AM
@GoodCopbadCop And what wavelength is EE using? Because it’s not the wavelength that everyone keep saying is dangerous. There is different wavelengths of 5G can you understand that ? EE is not using nanometer wavelength for 5G. Please educate yourself on the TYPES of wavelengths that 5G can be deployed on and what type EE is deploying. I can not say what wavelength the US is deploying as your clip is about the 5G being deployed in the US not the UK. Again I will say go and learn what UK networks are deploying not what being done elsewhere in the world.
26-05-2019 12:58 PM
26-05-2019 01:11 PM
@GoodCopbadCop And what EE are deploying is already in use.
So if you go by any of that do you own a cell phone maybe a cellular tablet. What about a TV ? Microwave oven by any chance? yes I thought so. don’t come here thinking your going to stop this when you yourself are using the same services also.
26-05-2019 02:35 PM
No microwave or tablet. No wifi, it's switched off. Ethernet cables instead. Don't presume then make judgements based on your presumptions.
Personally, I'll listen to the Doctors and Scientists who have done the research and a warning of the harm, rather than a telecommunications company that has done ZERO health tests on a network they are exposing us all too.
28-05-2019 07:25 PM
@GoodCopbadCop Did you even read what was in the opening thread. Obviously not.
29-05-2019 11:18 AM - edited 29-05-2019 11:26 AM
@GoodCopbadCop No you didn’t you did a copy and paste from various sources from the net. Your post doesn’t take into account that EE is not deploying on mmwave bandwidth so your copy and paste post is way of the mark.
Just to add all the electronic devices in your home on producing a RF field. You might not use WiFi but you are using a router and something to make comments on here. A RF field is be produced by that and your router even if it’s not outputting a WiFi signal. Got a fridge how ? about an electric oven by any chance ?
29-05-2019 02:56 PM
29-05-2019 03:28 PM - edited 29-05-2019 03:33 PM
And some people like to scaremonger. You say in the future EE will use mmwave length. So not now then and where are you getting that information from ? You are aware that mobile phone networks are governed about what frequencies they can use. It’s not a free for all.
29-05-2019 07:15 PM
29-05-2019 07:41 PM
@GoodCopbadCop At present EE is deploying 5G within the specified guidelines they are not at present breaking any law or anything that you can think of that warrants them not to release a 5G network. Nothing about EEs or other networks release of 5G is not breaking any law or going outside of the boundaries that has been set on what they are allow todo.
As much as your posting about this you’ll not stop it as this is just a public forum that has no sway on how EE implement it’s technologies within the governing guidelines.
29-05-2019 07:44 PM
@GoodCopbadCop please show the evidence of EE will be using mmWave in the future.