02-11-2018 04:39 PM
Hi guys, I can't seem to find the answer to this.
I know that Essentials plan is capped at 60MB and Max is not. I have friends who very rarely reach close to 60mb with their Max plans around East London. So I want to know, if in one location, a Max customer achieves 40MB for example, will an Essentials customer achieve 40MB as well in the same location?
Up to 60MB is more than enough and if the speeds are identical everywhere between the Max and Essential up to 60MB, then i'm not bothered, other factors like price will be more important. Also roaming doesn't interest me nor does the 24 month BT Sport.
02-11-2018 04:51 PM
If a speed doesn't reach the limit the line is capped at then it's the same as if it weren't capped. That's all a cap is.
02-11-2018 04:56 PM
If it was literally just a cap then that would be true. But I thought the Max plan has the 4G+ which the Essentials doesn’t? Not sure what that means exactly but could it be that the Max has access to a faster technology or more servers etc that the Essentials can’t access? Hence it could be different speeds even below 60mb.
02-11-2018 05:07 PM
It'll be just like EE BB Fibre, capped at 40 Meg, & EE BB Fibre Plus, uncapped.
02-11-2018 05:14 PM
There is only 1 flavour of 4G = LTE technology unlike 3G. So it's just a cap.
02-11-2018 05:24 PM
Surely there are different variations of 4G right? Like EE have faster 4G than o2 for example. I thought there was variations between the same network, which is what they make out.
Is double speed ee and 4g+ just marketing terminology for essentially exactly the same thing just with a cap on one and no cap on the other?
02-11-2018 05:37 PM
You'll access the network with an Essential plan, just like you would if you had a Max plan. The only difference is, you'll be capped at 60Mbps, whereas with the Max plan, you'll be able to achieve the networks fastest speeds, as long as this is above 60Mbps.
When EE first launched 4G in the UK in 2012, the fastest possible speeds you could achieve was 30Mbps, EE then made some network improvements and you could then achieve speeds of up to 60Mbps (this is what EE called "Double Speed 4G"). 4G+ is another terminology for LTE Advanced which allows networks to group spectrum together, which helps improve speeds, coverage and latency.
02-11-2018 05:39 PM
02-11-2018 05:49 PM
So this grouping of spectrums together on the Max plan could potentially mean faster speeds over an essential plan below 60mb right? As the essential doesn't have access to this LTE Advanced which groups spectrums?
02-11-2018 05:56 PM - edited 02-11-2018 05:59 PM
Not at all @monz87.
Customers on both an Essential or Max plan with a compatible device will have access to 4G+, but a customer on an Essential plan will only be able to access speeds up to 60Mbps.
So for example, a customer with a Samsung Note 9 and on an Essential plan will notice a 4G+ symbol above their signal bars when they're in an area with 4G+ coverage, but if they run a speed test, they will be capped at 60Mbps. The reason for this is because the device has access to 4G+ and the spectrum bands within the 4G+, but EE have set a speed cap on your plan to prevent you from using speeds above 60Mbps.
02-11-2018 06:01 PM
Great, thank you. I am planning to get the iPhone XR which I’m sure supports 4G+. It is nice to know that whatever speed I get ‘up to’ 60mb then Max users would also get the same, unless I’m getting the max 60mb at which point I would assume Max users would get more. Regardless 60mb is more than enough to do anything on a phone.
02-11-2018 06:05 PM
You're correct @monz87, the iPhone XR is 4G+ compatible. However, Apple only display 4G on the phone, even if you are in an area with 4G+ coverage.
02-11-2018 07:17 PM
Right, so I’ve just done a speedtest on my wifes iPhone XR with an Essentials plan and it came out as 77mb download lol. What happened to the 60mb cap?
02-11-2018 08:53 PM
There have been examples of speed tests that have achieved over 60Mbps on Essential plans.
02-11-2018 10:21 PM - edited 02-11-2018 10:21 PM
Or so much for a speedtest ! They ain't that reliable & often differ from each other.
03-11-2018 11:20 PM
Actually it is quite reliable as on my fibre broadband it caps at the top end and never exceeds what i’m supposed to be getting. The speed on the Essentials came out a lot higher than 60mb, if it was 62mb for example then I would assume it was off slightly but that was not the case.
03-11-2018 11:51 PM
Can't be on BB. Speedtests will always be less, by about 8%, than the raw connection speed which is what is being capped, cuz of the overheads on top of the data that are being carried. So if your fibre is being capped at 40 Meg, speedtests will show about 37 Meg.
It must be the same with mobile but the raw connection speeds are not readily available unlike fixed BB.
03-11-2018 11:53 PM
Which is why I get max 72mb on my plusnet fibre which is capped at 76mb I think. But 77mb on a capped 60mb essentials is different.