topic Re: Is it possible to revert back to my old SIM? in SIM cards & Porting

Is it possible to revert back to my old SIM?

Conrad3000 — Thu, 02 May 2024 12:46:55 GMT

Hi all.

I recently received a new SIM because apparently the 3G network was switched off in June 2023 and the text I received said my number would be cancelled plus all credit.

I got that text about a week ago (in April 2024) saying this. Very bizarre considering it was nearly a year late.

So in a panic I rang them up and they sent me a new SIM.

BTW the old SIM was absolutely fine up until I got the replacement (today).

After speaking to EE, they said they can't make my old SIM work again due to technical reasons.

Now I've had that particular SIM for nearly 25 years, and I wasn't aware that it'd stop working altogether when my new SIM came.

Im sure EE can do it, but because they want their customers onto newer plans and networks, they're refusing to budge.

There's a 21 digit number printed on the back of the old SIM and I asked if that would be any help. They kinda flatly said it's impossible and they can't do anything.

Are there any other options left?

Thanks.

Re: Is it possible to revert back to my old SIM?

Chris_B — Thu, 02 May 2024 13:04:59 GMT

@Conrad3000 if you’ve had that Sim for this length of time, then it’s worth getting a Sim that can at least support 4G/5G the old sim can not support these and can not be reactivated. It’s just not possible.

Re: Is it possible to revert back to my old SIM?

Conrad3000 — Thu, 02 May 2024 13:20:49 GMT

Hi Chris.

That old SIM was just a back-up, purely for calls and texts (no data). And I think it was the data part that was affected by the switching off (of) the 3G network, not calls and texts.

What I'm confused about is that it was working perfectly fine up until yesterday (1st May 2024) when EE activated the new SIM (with the same number).

Also why would it be such a major 'upheaval' if their systems would just re-activate my old SIM again?

Surely it would just be a matter of pushing a few buttons? I mean it was quite easy to transfer everything on my new SIM without any issues.

I feel I've been fobbed off to be honest.

Re: Is it possible to revert back to my old SIM?

Chris_B — Thu, 02 May 2024 13:42:47 GMT

@Conrad3000 calls and texts would’ve gone by 3G also and with 3G being switched off these ones would have gone via 2G. It’s not possible to activate an now deactivated sim

Re: Is it possible to revert back to my old SIM?

bristolian — Thu, 02 May 2024 13:58:37 GMT

@Conrad3000 wrote:

And I think it was the data part that was affected by the switching off (of) the 3G network, not calls and texts.

3G is a radio access technology which was capable of carrying voice & data traffic.

Non-4G phones always fell back to 2G when 3G was unavailable for whatever reason - that's now permanent. A non-4G phone will now be permanently using EE's 2G network, meaning a 4G phone will give a much-better experience.

Re: Is it possible to revert back to my old SIM?

Conrad3000 — Thu, 02 May 2024 15:58:45 GMT

Hi Bristolian.

Forgive my ignorance, but why would 3G be turned off but not 2G?

An I mistaken in thinking why a newer technology would be gotten rid of but not the old one?

Re: Is it possible to revert back to my old SIM?

XRaySpeX — Thu, 02 May 2024 16:30:05 GMT

2G eventually by latest 2033. In meantime it's the lowest common denominator (LCD) of them 😉 catering for the older phones that will be useless after 2G has gone..

Re: Is it possible to revert back to my old SIM?

bristolian — Thu, 02 May 2024 16:23:34 GMT

Normally you'd be right - older techs get retired first. 3G was a very inefficient RAT (radio access technology) in how mobile data was handled, and has been superceded by 4G - it also had some shortcomings when presented with heavy traffic loads. 2G can easily provide a basic voice & text service for legacy devices, without the same issues.

Re: Is it possible to revert back to my old SIM?

Conrad3000 — Thu, 02 May 2024 17:20:17 GMT

Thanks guys.

And since my old SIM was absolutely fine in making calls/texts, I feel a bit let-down in accepting a new SIM.

No blame on the advisor I spoke to. They were great but if they'd said your old SIM won't work anymore on 3G for data, but you'll still be able to text/call, then I very much doubt I would have opted for the replacement SIM.

And I think EE is insulting our intelligence when they say they can't re-activate the original SIM. We know they can but they choose not to.

I've had that particular SIM since 2000 and it carries a lot of sentimental value. I guess that's why I'm bitterly disappointed at the situation. It was purely used as a back-up on an old phone and it's served me pretty well for nearly 25 years.

Sadly I don't think I'll be topping up my remaining credit. I'll just use it until it's gone and that's it.

Re: Is it possible to revert back to my old SIM?

bristolian — Thu, 02 May 2024 17:47:57 GMT

@Conrad3000 wrote:

And I think EE is insulting our intelligence when they say they can't re-activate the original SIM. We know they can

That may not be the case, depending on how the CRM handles a disconnected SIM. If the IMSI is not available for selection for reactivation, then it could mean extensive manual intervention to make it so.

Replacing the SIM is far simpler and quicker.

I'm not sure how there can be any sentimental attraction to an individual SIM!

Re: Is it possible to revert back to my old SIM?

Conrad3000 — Thu, 02 May 2024 19:29:49 GMT

Well, for the last 15-20 years or so, it was literally a life-line.

Obviously it may mean little to others, but to me it holds great value.

I think I'll just keep it in a little plastic pouch until it physically disintegrates (if at all possible). Iot's a pretty sturdy little thing and the SIM itself 'works' because I can still store and access phone numbers and texts.

I know it sounds silly but I'm sure that's how many people with sentimental items feel.

Re: Is it possible to revert back to my old SIM?

XRaySpeX — Thu, 02 May 2024 19:34:05 GMT

It's your mobile no. that was your lifeline. not the physical SIM & you can get a replacement for that.