topic Re: Is EE FTTP dual or simplex !? in Broadband & Landline

Is EE FTTP dual or simplex !?

denede — Mon, 14 Oct 2024 18:44:40 GMT

Hello guys,

Maybe someone could help me because i'm intending on jumping to the 1.6Gbps package and i need to know if the actual fiber cable, more exactly the end of the cable is dual or single because i'm intending on having my own wifi7 router with spf+ support and i need to know which transceiver to purchase.(don't really want to use the RJ45 socket) - (I wont use their provided hub)

At the moment as a common sense person and because most widely available cables/transceivers are dual i purchased a 10GB dual spf+ transceiver in the 1310nm wavelength.

Best Regards,

denede

Re: Is EE FTTP dual or simplex !?

JimM11 — Mon, 14 Oct 2024 18:51:02 GMT

@denede Current Gpon OR info.

GPON uplink
• Wavelength: 1490 nm downstream, 1310 nm
upstream
• Line rate: 2.488 Gb/s downstream, 1.244 Gb/s
upstream
• SC/APC optical connector
• Compliant with ITU-T G.984.2 Amd1, Class B+
¬ +1 dBm to ~+5 dBm launch power, -28 dBm
sensitivity and -8 dBm overload
• Compliant with ITU-T G.984.2 Amd1, Class C+
(optional)
¬ +1 dBm to ~+5 dBm launch power, -30 dBm
sensitivity and -8 dBm overload
• G.984.3-compliant dynamic bandwidth allocation
(DBA) by piggyback
• G.984.3-compliant Advanced Encryption Standard
(AES) in downstream
• G.984.3-compliant forward error correction (FEC)
in both directions
• 802.1p fixed mapping to queues
¬ Mapping of GPON Encapsulation Method (GEM)
ports into a transmission container (T-CONT)
¬ Remote software image download, activation
and reboot

Re: Is EE FTTP dual or simplex !?

denede — Mon, 14 Oct 2024 18:55:33 GMT

oh no.. i need a higher wavelength is seems to max it out and be future proof

but do you have actual 2 cables[socket] going inside or just 1?

Re: Is EE FTTP dual or simplex !?

AHarMan2 — Mon, 14 Oct 2024 18:56:22 GMT

I didnt think you could bypass the ONT ?

Re: Is EE FTTP dual or simplex !?

denede — Mon, 14 Oct 2024 18:58:17 GMT

ohh really? you cannot take the cable directly and put it into your own ?

if that's true, that's so bad...

Re: Is EE FTTP dual or simplex !?

JimM11 — Mon, 14 Oct 2024 18:58:54 GMT

@denede It's a single fibre cable!

Re: Is EE FTTP dual or simplex !?

AHarMan2 — Mon, 14 Oct 2024 19:01:01 GMT

My understanding is the ONT has a serial number which is registered and used to activate the service ?

Happy to be wrong, but at a consumer level connection I don't think you can take the fibre straight to an spf router.

Maybe at a business level / business grade connection possibly.

Re: Is EE FTTP dual or simplex !?

denede — Mon, 14 Oct 2024 19:16:02 GMT

So its a simplex instead of a duplex. Good to know

Re: Is EE FTTP dual or simplex !?

denede — Mon, 14 Oct 2024 19:18:51 GMT

Ive seen other company that is also on the openreach network giving normal asus or tp-link routers..

That means, in theory, you could have any router and just plug in the cables if are compatible with the sockets

Activating the service i think it's done on the outside box of the building..

I might be wrong

Re: Is EE FTTP dual or simplex !?

Mustrum — Mon, 14 Oct 2024 21:28:39 GMT

@denede What is it you are trying to do?

The customer interface from Openreach’s Fibre network is an RJ45 socket on the ONT (fibre modem) , it is a 2.5Gb interface. You cannot connect in any other way. EE like other ISP’S allow you to connect to this interface with third part routers.

You cannot use your own ONT, at least not without a lot more technical knowledge and information you can expect to get on a public forum.

Re: Is EE FTTP dual or simplex !?

denede — Mon, 14 Oct 2024 21:52:28 GMT

I do have the technical knowledge but it seems people from the support team cannot answer my questions or they won't. That's why i headed my attention to the forum

What i would like to do, like ive done before, is to directly put the fiber cable into my own router(ONT) removing the need of creating a bridge between theirs and mine.

Re: Is EE FTTP dual or simplex !?

JimM11 — Mon, 14 Oct 2024 21:55:39 GMT

@denede So who did you do this with before?

Re: Is EE FTTP dual or simplex !?

Mustrum — Mon, 14 Oct 2024 22:08:18 GMT

@denede wrote:
What i would like to do, like ive done before, is to directly put the fiber cable into my own router(ONT) removing the need of creating a bridge between theirs and mine.

@denede you cannot legally do that in this country. You must connect via the RJ45 PORT.

Given EE and Openreach are both BT Group companies asking for that kind of information on their public forums is not sensible. A bit like asking your bank where they keep the key to the door.

Re: Is EE FTTP dual or simplex !?

denede — Mon, 14 Oct 2024 22:09:07 GMT

Ive done it with lots of ISP providers, but not in this country.. that's why im trying to find more information. Basically the main thing when they activate your services, normally, is they open your port from the box outside your building and that's it. After that it's your own business how you use the cables. That's how I'm used with. But seems it's not the case here or they don't want to be the case on purpose.

But since ive seen one another company one other company on the same network infrastructure giving consumer routers i believe it's very possible

Re: Is EE FTTP dual or simplex !?

denede — Mon, 14 Oct 2024 22:10:25 GMT

Asking about how the socket and/or cables connect is not sensible or private information. That's weird

Re: Is EE FTTP dual or simplex !?

Mustrum — Mon, 14 Oct 2024 22:18:52 GMT

@denede But you have been told the customer interface details, the information you seek is not in the public domain as it is illegal to connect at that point.

No weird.

Re: Is EE FTTP dual or simplex !?

denede — Mon, 14 Oct 2024 22:44:44 GMT

When you want to pay for a service you should be informed how the actual service works to see if it's actually what you need and for your home environment. That's what i think. You don't just pay for the sake of it..

I will get to the bottom of this and post updates if i will have any.

Cheers guys and thank you for the replies. At least this forum is active.

Re: Is EE FTTP dual or simplex !?

JimM11 — Mon, 14 Oct 2024 22:50:30 GMT

@denede You should look for another ISP who will allow you to do as you wish, and will guide you to the equipment interface that you want, with OR on a home consumer connection, you will more than likely be restricted, as a business user there is more flexibility...

Re: Is EE FTTP dual or simplex !?

XRaySpeX — Tue, 15 Oct 2024 03:32:10 GMT

Your router isn't an ONT. You mentioned other companies that are also on the OR network giving normal Asus or TP-Link routers & they're not ONTs either.

Re: Is EE FTTP dual or simplex !?

XRaySpeX — Tue, 15 Oct 2024 03:36:37 GMT

@denede wrote:

they open your port from the box outside your building and that's it. After that it's your own business how you use the cables.

No, it isn't! The provider owns & is responsible for everything up to the ONT. You business only starts at the WAN port of the ONT.