topic Re: Managing recordings in TV

Managing recordings

BladeRunner1973 — Thu, 22 Aug 2024 16:15:49 GMT

Coming from using Virgin media to EE I've noticed that there's no real options on EE TV to manage recordings eg. Start five minutes before and end 20 minutes after the programme has finished.

Are they any plans to expand the recording options as being an F1 fan and programmes tend to overrun this would be a great option to have?

Re: Managing recordings

DarrenDev — Thu, 22 Aug 2024 16:20:13 GMT

The TV Box Pro uses real-time data provided by the channels to make sure that recordings continue as long as the programme keeps going. There are no options to allow manual extending of recordings, and no plans to add them.

Re: Managing recordings

BladeRunner1973 — Thu, 22 Aug 2024 17:49:37 GMT

Thanks for the response. That sounds great, however it doesn't seem to work
as I've had numerous recording cut short because they have run late.

Does this work alongside Now TV? This is where the recordings have failed
to run long enough.

Re: Managing recordings

DarrenDev — Fri, 23 Aug 2024 11:26:40 GMT

Sorry yes, you're right @BladeRunner1973 - Now TV don't provide accurate recording data for their channels. Unfortunately your only option would be to schedule the following programme, or wait for the catch up video to become available.

Re: Managing recordings

Midnight_Voice — Fri, 23 Aug 2024 14:54:42 GMT

@BladeRunner1973 @DarrenDev

What ‘Accurate Recording’ means is that the channels broadcast a trigger, called Present/Following, to signal the end of one broadcast and the start of the next.

(Freeview sends every P/F indicator out on every channel, not just the channel that raised it, which is how YouView boxes know to switch on recording for a channel they are not currently tuned to. Neat.)

So, ‘no padding needed?’ What could possibly go wrong? Well, the fly in the ointment is that very few channels adjust the times they send out their P/F indicators when programmes overrun or underrun; they just send them at the times indicated in the EPG for the programme changeovers.

And not only are they not compelled by the Freeview rules to get these P/F indicators right, they are not even compelled to send them at all! Though fortunately most do send them, at least, albeit triggered from the EPG and not from what’s actually happening.

And yet YouView based, and still bases, its recording start/stop times on these indicators, despite clear evidence, at the time of YouView’s launch and every year since, that most broadcasters simply don’t operate them in a way that remotely deserves the name ‘Accurate Recording’.

I an unable to rightly comprehend YouView’s thinking here 😢

Re: Managing recordings

Alex453 — Sat, 07 Sep 2024 15:45:44 GMT

That isn't happening for my TV box pro. Is there a setting I need to change?

Re: Managing recordings

Midnight_Voice — Sat, 07 Sep 2024 16:40:58 GMT

@Alex453

What isn’t happening?

If you mean you are getting programmes cut short, then also schedule to record the following programme.

You will find the missing bit of your programme at the start of that.

Re: Managing recordings

brimar1 — Sat, 26 Oct 2024 06:42:44 GMT

That's all very well. But, how does this work, when you do not know which programmes are going to overrun?

Having just changed from you view to EE tv ( where this did not happen ) I am not amused.

Re: Managing recordings

Profile closed — Sat, 26 Oct 2024 10:03:05 GMT

@brimar1 wrote:
Having just changed from you view to EE tv ( where this did not happen ) I am not amused.

This is just the start, EE TV will find increasingly annoying ways to get on your nerves.

Re: Managing recordings

Midnight_Voice — Sat, 26 Oct 2024 10:11:22 GMT

@brimar1

It’s amazing what people see that can’t possibly be - except when it is.

There is no difference between the operation of a YouView box stand-alone and one on EETV; both suffer from the crippling limitation when programmes overrun that YouView’s only defence against this is for the broadcasters to operate Accurate Recording correctly, which they mostly don’t.

If you are running a YouView box in Aerial Mode, absolutely no difference.

The only possible change I can see is if you are running in IP Mode, where EETV, or the stream providers, may be handling Accurate Recording slightly differently. But I’ve seen no evidence that that is the case.

Re: Managing recordings

brimar1 — Sat, 26 Oct 2024 11:35:14 GMT

Thank's for the words of encouragement, stereo, I can't wait.

Re: Managing recordings

brimar1 — Sat, 26 Oct 2024 11:38:36 GMT

I am running the EE TV Box Pro, in arial mode. But, I can't really remember the YouView box overrunning.

It could be my memory is on the blink. I'll wait and see.

Re: Managing recordings

Midnight_Voice — Sat, 26 Oct 2024 14:27:03 GMT

@brimar1

I’d like to refer you to the old YouView Community, where programmes being cut off before the end were the topic of constant conversations, but alas, it’s dead and gone, and all the evidence with it.

But YouView’s decision to use Accurate Recording, and never to implement padding, has had YouView users tearing their hair out since 2012, not just recently.

Re: Managing recordings

brimar1 — Sat, 26 Oct 2024 18:36:29 GMT

Yes M V, on reflection, you're probably right, Memory is a strange thing.

Re: Managing recordings

KerenH — Sun, 03 Nov 2024 21:50:26 GMT

Have exactly the same problem - its as if the clock is 2 mins out - am finding it very frustrating!

Re: Managing recordings

Midnight_Voice — Mon, 04 Nov 2024 15:30:38 GMT

@KerenH

If you can, record the following programme as well, and the missing end of the desired recording will be on the start of that.

We call this technique ‘superpadding’ 😛