topic Re: Use my own 5G Router instead of the EE5G Router in Mobile Broadband

Use my own 5G Router instead of the EE5G Router

cleghornp — Mon, 27 Jun 2022 17:31:59 GMT

I currently have a 5G EE router with unlimited data. The router is very basic however and won't let me do anything in terms of changing the DNS or setting up my own firewalls/VPN. I can't even update it currently.

Mikrotik have a new 5G router and this does seem to work but I only get a 4G signal(less than 70MB upload). On the main 5G EE router I can get 180+MB. Is there some block on non EE routers on a 5G network? or is it perhaps a setting that I have missed. Has anyone else done this with any other none EE router?

Re: Use my own 5G Router instead of the EE5G Router

XRaySpeX — Mon, 27 Jun 2022 18:23:54 GMT

There is no block on non-EE routers. You may put your EE SIM in any unlocked router of your choosing.

Re: Use my own 5G Router instead of the EE5G Router

EssexBoyEE — Tue, 28 Jun 2022 11:11:38 GMT

What's the Model Number of the Mikrotik Router that you have bought and how is it set up or positioned?, I having a guess here but it could be to do with the extended 5G NR Bands that EE now use in certain areas.

Post up the Model No. and i will look into the specs and NR Band availability, is the Mikrotik new or second hand, also do you have a approximate location of where you are.

Re: Use my own 5G Router instead of the EE5G Router

cleghornp — Tue, 28 Jun 2022 14:56:57 GMT

It's the Chateau 5G router and it's new.

Router position

The router is on the top floor of a 3-story house. Its positioned with a line of sight to the 5G transmitter. The signal is very good(5 bars) on both routers. I'm in Crewe CW1 4PN. Many thanks in advance.

Re: Use my own 5G Router instead of the EE5G Router

XRaySpeX — Tue, 28 Jun 2022 15:02:17 GMT

You are getting a 5G signal.

Re: Use my own 5G Router instead of the EE5G Router

cleghornp — Tue, 28 Jun 2022 15:27:25 GMT

No I am not. If I turn off the 4G bands on the Chateau i get no signal at all. The 5G EE router has B1,B3 and N28 bands and this reaches speeds beyond 180MB. The chateau never gets above 65MB. Something is not right.

Re: Use my own 5G Router instead of the EE5G Router

cleghornp — Tue, 28 Jun 2022 15:29:16 GMT

I might add that the picture of the signal connection is from the EE 5G router not the mikrotik

Re: Use my own 5G Router instead of the EE5G Router

XRaySpeX — Tue, 28 Jun 2022 16:39:26 GMT

I might add it's v. confusing to show the image of 1 router with the status of another router within the same post!

Re: Use my own 5G Router instead of the EE5G Router

EssexBoyEE — Tue, 28 Jun 2022 17:20:43 GMT

Images are not showing as they to be approved first.

I'll have a look later.

Re: Use my own 5G Router instead of the EE5G Router

XRaySpeX — Tue, 28 Jun 2022 17:31:44 GMT

@EssexBoyEE : I have now done so & they should appear soon. Surprised I could see them before they were approved.

Re: Use my own 5G Router instead of the EE5G Router

EssexBoyEE — Wed, 29 Jun 2022 15:32:01 GMT

So if I've got this right, the second Pic details are of your old EE Router, if so your are correct the Site this Pic shows you are logged on to appears to be the main 5G Tower in the Area, which is approximately 1km SSEast of you.

A bit more info here -

Cell ID: 4156416

Actual Log On - B3 1800mhz, Cell Sector East Degrees
4G Bands Available at Site - B1, B3 and B20
Approx. Location - Aysgarth Avenue, Leighton, Crewe

When using the EE Router, you seem to using Bands 1 and 3 in Carrier Aggregation together with 5G NR Band 28 (700mhz) which as expected with your good Signal Strength and SNR provided you with good DL Speeds.

Ive checked your New Router Specs and it appears that the Mikrotik do cover All of EE's 4 and 5G Band that are currently being used by EE, so as all is correct there a bit unsure why your not picking up 5G, what Signal, Bands and Cell Site Info does the Mikrotik Router give you, and can you Post up All relevant info.

It may be possible that if your New Router is somehow only Logging on to EE's Band 20 this may explain lower speeds and possible lack of 5G.

When you used the EE Router were you using any external Antennas?, if no, is the New Router in a simular position to where the EE one was.

The Router Position ideally needs to be on the South Side of your premises and with the Paddle Antennas clear site through the Window and clear of any Window Frames (they have Metal inside the Frame).

You cannot switch off the 4G on the Router as the Network using the 4G Network Layer in order to order to Carrier Aggregate the 4G and 5G NSA Signals together, in other words how the 5G NSA currently works is the 4G will work without the 5G, but the 5G will not work without the 4G, you will not acquire any 5G Signal at All.

Re: Use my own 5G Router instead of the EE5G Router

cleghornp — Sun, 24 Jul 2022 13:16:47 GMT

Sorry for the late reply. I don't seem to be getting notifications of responses.

what Signal, Bands and Cell Site Info does the Mikrotik Router give you, and can you Post up All relevant info?

I'll set things up again and let you know

When you used the EE Router were you using any external Antennas?, if no, is the New Router in a simular position to where the EE one was.

I didn't use any external antennas on the EE5g router. The mikrotik router is in the same position as the EE5G router but uses the paddle antennas shown.

I go this other response from a mikrotik forum.

I am based in the UK and have a 5G EE router supplied by EE(BT). This gives me speeds above 180MB download. The router is locked however and I cannot change the DNS, firewall settings or set up anything useful. So I thought to buy the Mikrotik Chateau 5G. I managed to get this working but then noticed that the speeds were slow compared with the EE router. I can only get up to 65MB. If I turn off the 4G network settings on the LTE I get no signal at all. Effectively the 5G settings don't seem to be used. I am getting B1, B3 and N28 bands with the other router and the signal qualities are good/excellent. Do you have any idea why the Chateau is so much slower?

OK, the 5G EE router is a rebranded Zyxel NR5103: https://service-provider.zyxel.com/emea ... dus/nr5103
In the default configuration, the Chateau 5G is optimised for N78 on the external 5G antennas: https://confusedbird.com/thread-119.html
If you are willing to rewire the 5G antennas, we should be able to optimise your N28 throughput.

Not sure I should be messing around with the paddle antennas, given what you have said??

Re: Use my own 5G Router instead of the EE5G Router

cleghornp — Sun, 24 Jul 2022 15:49:20 GMT

OK..Here are some stats from the mikrotik router. To test this I am using my own 5G sim card by the way, not the SIM card in my main 5g EE router as I didn't want to take the system down to test things. The speed is still no better than 45MB download. When I test on my phone the speed is >270MB download. Massive difference in the Mikrotik router. Same SIM.

Re: Use my own 5G Router instead of the EE5G Router

cleghornp — Tue, 02 Aug 2022 14:01:21 GMT

It appears that EE may well give preferential treatment to their own equipment and palm off other 5G routers with LTE and slower speeds. I might have known.